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Topic: How would you call it?
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citypopo7
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posted 02-18-2009 08:59 AM
  
Hello everyone!! I wanted to get some opinions on a pre-employment test that I ran yesterday. During the pre-test interview my examinee gave no real involvement with theft except for the usual candy when he was a small child, nothing else. Also, my examinee stated that except for his dad having had polygraphs in the military and only telling him to just come in and tell the truth, he had not done any further research or talked to anyone else about it. Afterwards, there were obvious significant reactions to the theft question on all 3 charts. During the post-test the examinee initially denied that he had withheld any theft information. He then changed his story and stated that during the test he had thought of two different incidents where he stole money at his workplace. However, he later changed his story again and stated that although he was responsible for the two thefts he mentioned, he really did not think of those incidents during the test and had only said that he did, because he wanted to provide an explanation as to what bothered him. He then asked me if counting by 7’s after each question could have caused the problem. He then explained he had talked to a friend in the military who told him that after he answered each question he should count down from 100 by 7’s to help him relax. He stated that he did not tell me that information during the pre-test because he thought it would get him in trouble. He then admitted that after each question he started counting by 7’s from 0. Although all of his reactions appeared genuine (timely, free of artifact, etc) would you make a call either way based on reactions alone, or make a call of no opinion based solely on the admission of the counting? I think it would be safe to say that many examinees try to think of relaxing things during the test to calm them down that ultimately have no effect on their reactions. However, do we automatically render no opinion when we are told they thought of stuff during the test even if at face value it appears to not have affected anything? I wanted to add that I don't think counting would be a normal relaxing thought and understand that people do it to try and mimic a reaction. However, in this case, it did not appear to have an overall affect on any of the other tracings. Thanks for your input.
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Taylor
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posted 02-18-2009 09:40 AM
You have a deceptive call - with an admission. Plus you have a PNC Purposeful Non Cooperation - by the examinee admitting he was counting back by sevens - that is a countermeasure. I would finalize your report by stating there was significant reactions indicating deception with Post Test admissions to the theft question as well as confirmed countermeasures. The LEs I work for would not spend another minute or dollar on an applicant that attempts to manipulate the polygrams.BTW, I would really like to see his charts if you could email them to me? Gordon Barland (who is also in Utah) is a countermeasure expert and he is always looking for confirmed CM charts. [This message has been edited by Taylor (edited 02-18-2009).] IP: Logged |
ebvan
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posted 02-18-2009 12:12 PM
The mental countermeasure
"Counting backward by sevens" appears in
David C. Raskin, and John C. Kircher. (1994) “Mental
and Physical Countermeasures Reduce the Accuracy of Polygraph
Tests,” Journal of Applied Psychology, Vol. 79 (1994), No.
2, pp. 252–59.and is referenced on pages 148 and 206 of "The Lie Behind The Lie Detector" available at Antipolygraph.org. Your examinee may have been doing some online research. Perhaps someone could assist you in posting your charts here.
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sackett
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posted 02-18-2009 12:12 PM
citypopo7,I only call N/O IF the results of CM's caused an evaluated NSR result. I would call your results, SR with noted and admitted CM's. He explained the results of the examination satisfactorily, so you can call that part of the test a confession or admission. My $.02
Jim
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Barry C
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posted 02-18-2009 12:20 PM
Counting backwards by 7's is not relaxing - it's a CM as has been said here already. Moreover, you have reactions and an admission - an admission he said he lied about to appease you. No matter how you slice it, you have a guy who admits to being dishonest. You have an SR test with admissions, a recantation (the logical conclusion of which means he lied when he gave you his now bogus admission). Plus, he used CMs to "relax" himself, a technique he learned by researching - yes conducting interviews from those is the know is a form of research - something he also denied because he thought it would get him in trouble. In the end, he "said" I'm willing to lie if I think it will help me (or the truth will hurt me).IP: Logged |
citypopo7
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posted 02-18-2009 01:34 PM
I really appreciate everyone's input and direction. Without a doubt this person has no business working at our agency, or any agency at that. IP: Logged |
rnelson
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posted 02-18-2009 02:04 PM
If you can email me the charts, electronic version, I can make the graphics and post them for you.We'd all enjoy seeing them. It sounds like a good set of charts to learn from. Also fax them to me, and I can post the graphics from the fax. Strip the examinee and examiner ID, or I can do that. Never post the names. I would leave posting the test questions to you. Some examiners like to post questions. Some don't. Not my call. I would help posting the charts if you like. raymond.nelson@gmail.com (720) 554-7677 fax r ------------------
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pal_karcsi
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posted 02-18-2009 10:23 PM
I would love to see those charts !
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